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An open letter to the Director of the Adelaide Institute, Dr. Frederick Toben:

by Jamie McCarthy, Nizkor

If I offend anybody because I show poor taste in my sometime blunt
and honest questioning, then I apologize.

An Open Letter to Jamie McCarthy

Only recently I remarked about the Kuwaiti claim, made during 1990 before Desert Storm was unleashed, that Iraqi soldiers had perpetrated unspeakable acts of violence upon helpless victims in a Kuwaiti hospital - throwing babies out of incubators and taking the incubators to Iraq. It is now common knowledge that an American advertising agency schooled the daughter of an US-based Kuwaiti diplomat to say such things before the US Congress. Luckily for the sake of historical truth, the incubator story was soon exposed for what it was - war-time propaganda. Yet, it served its purpose, namely to draw the USA into the Gulf conflict. So, too, it is with the horror stories about Nazis having made soap out of Jewish cadaver and lampshades out of Jewish skin. Yet I wonder why this kind of war-time propaganda has persisted for so long. Why does the media not vigorously expose such stories for what they are? Even to this day I can think of a number of people who still believe the war-time soap and lampshade propaganda to be based on facts. It is only if we can fearlessly ask questions about the alleged Jewish-Nazi Holocaust, then we will get to the truth-content of those allegations which state that Germans gassed millions of people in homicidal gas chambers.

Only a few days ago I received information about a court case in Tubingen, Germany, involving the publisher, Wigbert Grabert, and author/publisher Udo Walendy. I believe that Walendy has received a prison sentence while Grabert has escaped that fate with a DM30,000 fine. What was their crime? It appears that they doubt the orthodox homicidal gassing story - and that is a criminal offence in Germany. Also, in the latest 'Historische Tatsachen' Walendy questions the long-held belief that all Auschwitz prisoners had numbers tatooed on their arms, forearms, wrists, etc. He claims there is no proof of this ever having been done. Imagine, if this is true, then how many people do we personally know who have spent fifty years of their lives trading on that tatooed number on their forearm! I passed this information on to John Sack ( Eye for an Eye) who is now pursuing this matter. I am certainly interested to find out whether Walendy is making wild claims . Hoever, I do not think it is wise to use legal means wherewith to silence anyone making silly claims, and I would not like any government or private authority stop me from looking into such matters. Anyone who makes wild claims about something as controversial as has Walendy will soon be exposed as either being a fabricator or a truth seeker. Would you agre with me, Mr McCarthy?

You see, Mr McCarthy, it does not make sense to me that the German government authorities are persecuting through prosecution these people who dare ask questions about incidents and events of World War II . That's exactly what we are doing here per our Email service engaged in an exchange of views and opinions, yet in Germany we would be subject to judicial surveillance. Mind you, Mr McCarthy, you have an advantage over me. What you say is already legally protected because you have accepted the view that homicidal gassings did occur at Auschwitz and elsewhere. I am not so convinced - as yet. Please let me explain why I still have a nagging doubt about the so-called official version of what happened during the second world war at Auschwitz.

(1) The fact that doubters are not convinced of the homicidal gassing story produces a violent reaction from Jewish-Zionist pressure groups - and from the various government agencies whose parliaments have passed laws outlawing doubt on the topic. For example, in Canada it was the 'false news' law which Sabina Citron used to start the Zundel Trials. In Germany it was initially a provision of the defamation law which saw the absurd situation arising where Dr Wilhelm Staglich, Gunter Deckert, Pastor Manfred Junger,et al, were accused of "defaming the memory of the dead". Usually any defamation action is extinguished upon the death of the plaintiff who begins an action. Not so when the defamation law was used in Germany. We then saw people coming out of the woodworks who claimed to be speaking on behalf of the dead. Naturally they did this in the hope of being handsomely rewarded for their expressed concerns. Financially it was worth millions of dollars. Now, of course, in Germany it is not necessary to rely on defamation alws anymore. This anomaly has been rectified in Germany and elsewhere with the introduction of specific 'Holocaust denial' legislation. In Australia we have the Zionist lobby working very hard on getting such legislation passed through the various state and federal parliaments. It's done under the guise of the 'Racial Vilification/Hatred Bill'.

To my mind defamation law exists to protect a person's reputation from wrongful accusations. Unfortunately not all jurisdictions accept that truth is an absolute defence against defamation. Public figures, however, claim they are deserving of extra protection - which is a nonsense claim. We saw this kind of nonsense reach its height with the doings of British publisher, Robert Maxwell, who silenced his critics by throwing writs at them. So, if you do not have the financial clout, then you are out!

But in the long run the truth will come out because it is too much of an effort to have to support, by legal means, those processes which are corrupt. Yet, now in Europe various governments have made it a criminal offence to doubt matters concerning the allegation that Germans gassed millions of people. Why should we, Mr McCarthy, have a view of history supported by the force of a law? Isn't this exactly what the Marxist ideologues did in eastern Europe and in the former Soviet Union? Imagine, to have a special law which states that 'Holocaust denial' is off-limits, is a criminal offence? If someone denied that the earth was round, we would just laugh at that person's display of ignorance. Yet, when someone like 30+year-old German industrial chemist Germar Rudolf writes 'The Rudolf Report' - which is a detailed scientific analysis of the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwits - then he has his career ruined and, together with wife and two young children, is now on the run. A court had imposed on him a 15-month prison sentence for distributing his report, and as he failed to turn up at the Grabert trial in Tubingen, there is now an arrest warrant out for him. All this does not make sense to me, Mr McCarthy.

Why would the German legal establishment use a sledge hammer to protect at all costs an orthodox version of the Auschwitz homicidal gassing story? This is an historical debate which can be settled if we are mature enough to listen to what others have to say. I have a firm belief about this story - that there were no gassings at Auschwitz. However, should after fifty years by some miracle new evidence come along and conclusively prove that homicidal gassings did occur at Auschwitz, then I would write about that too. But let's not have people muzzled because they dare to become HOLOCAUST HERETICS.

Let me say in passing that my training in philosophy - Sir Karl Popper's theory falsification and C.S.Peirce's fallibilism - prevents me from accepting anything controversial as being true without my having done some personal thinking and research about the matter. So, Mr McCarthy, let me put your mind at rest about my intellectual integrity. After all, this is what you are alluding to when you ask me in your 8 June communication: "Is your questioning really honest, Dr Toben?" Yes, indeed it is. But not only, Mr McCarthy. I am also fearless in my questioning. Mr Brockschmidt and I have deliberately sought out those who support the homicidal gas chamber story. It was a little disconcerting to be rejected by those who could not answer our probing questions. In 1994 Professor Deborah Lipstadt visited Australia. We made the special effort to make the 1,600 Km Adelaide-Melbourne return trip so that we could ask her probing questions. She even signed her book for us with "May Truth Prevail"! It was during her seminar that she informed us that the conversion plans for the Auschwitz mortuaries were now available. Similarly, British historian, David Irving, and American author, Michael Collins-Piper, also confronted Lipstadt about those plans. Why, if the plans prove the homicidal gassing story, did Lipstadt not take up Irving's offer of $1,000 to produce those plans? It is not good enough for Lipstadt to travel the world and claim that the conversion plans prove the homicidal gas chamber story without having with her these plans - and discussing them in the way you now wish to do. More of this a little later.

(2) The Jewish death figures are a real problem and your criticism of what we have on our website highlights this problem very well. Permit me to give you a chronology , from 1996 backwards to 1964, wherein I detail my personal connection with the 6:4 million death figure as it presented itself in the public domain. I hasten to add that what you say is quite correct, i.e. The 6:4 million death figure can be argued about. Greg Raven of the IHR informs that it was once claimed that of the six million Jewish deaths, two million were in the Eastern territories and four million were in the concentration camps. Even the 1990 removal of the plaques claiming that four million persons died at Auschwitz has not definitively solved the problem. Blaming the former Soviet and Polish Communist governments, as you do in your explanation, is a total cop-out by those who have known for decades that the four million figure was wrong from the beginning. There are Revisionist works which mention a far lower number. I think Rassinere mentions a very low number - but such numbers were ignored by so-called mainstream historians. Why, Mr McCarthy? Even the six million total Jewish deaths figure is urgently in need of revision.Yet for some historians this number is set in concrete and anyone who dares question it is immediately labelled 'antisemitic', a hate monger', a neo-Nazi, a racist, etc. Why, Mr McCarthy?

I am reminded of the entry under 'Oswiecim' in the Reader's Digest 'Universal Dictionary' of 1988 : "Town of southern Poland....it lies near the site of the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp, where, between 1942 and 1945, some 4,000,000 people, mostly German and east European Jews, were systematically put to death by the Nazis."

Permit me now to tabulate my Personal Chronology:

* 1996 - as recently as 7-9 June in ADELAIDE , at the so-called conservative Samuel Griffith Society seminar, during a dinner conversation the 6:4 million death figure was mentioned. Much to the disbelief at our table, of five of the eight persons present, I stated that the current death figures for Auschwitz stood around 710,000 to 800,000 (Pressac).

* 1995 - At a European history conference at the University of New South Wales, SYDNEY, Dr Stephen Wheatcroft reduced the Auschwitz death figures to 1.5 million - much to Professor Hans Mommsen's disbelief. Wheatcroft claims to be Australia's expert on the Ukraine. He denies the Bolshevik-Jewish-Soviet connection which gave rise to the Ukrainian famine.See Adelaide Institute newsletter No. 30.

* 1994 - at the Professor Deborah Lipstadt seminar in MELBOURNE I canvassed a few individuals about the 6:4 million figure. It would have been foolish to have pursued the matter among this group because they were all 'true believers'. It was at this meeting that Professor Lipstadt predicted that a force from within the Jewish community would lead to dissent and disunity on the Holocaust.See Adelaide Institute newsletter No. 20.

* 1993 - on a visit to WELLINGTON and CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand, I met a cross-section of New Zealanders who generally held to the 6:4 figure. Any depth of knowledge on this topic managed to focus on the fact that the death figures referred to Jewish deaths. No-one I came across had heard of Franciszek Piper's 1993 published book 'Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz', published by the Auschwitz Museum in Poland. Therein we find a figure of 1.1 million total deaths at Auschwitz. What bothers me with these figures is that Piper claims that 200,000 of the total deaths were registered, while the remainder was unregistered. When I pointed this out to Dr Wheatcroft, he claimed that the Germans immediately herded the unregistered into the homicidal gas chambers. That is why there were so many unregistered deaths, of which to this day there is no trace! This is pure nonsense because nearly a million people do not just disappear into thin air - unless they never existed in the first place. Only on Friday 21 June I saw a TV item about the Belorussian government uncovering a mass grave from World War II in which the victims had been shot in the neck - the typical Soviet Union style of execution. I'm awaiting confirmation of this news item because I could not find any mention of it on our other four TV channels, nor did I find anything in the newspapers. Perhaps you know something about it. If it is a genuine news item, then we can again say that we can go to the Auschwitz site and find the evidence of mass killings and burnings by excavating the whole complex, etc. Such reasoning leads me to believe that the Piper methodology used to arrive at the death figure for Auschwitz is unsound. I cannot accept such methodological approach in reaching a 900 000 death figure because it is possible to look at physical evidence rather than rely on mere speculation..

Further, at the conference no-one had heard of 'The Rudolf Report' wherein its author, Germar Rudolf, claims that the homicidal gassings were a physical and technical impossibility. I actually find this a little hard to believe that the experts in the field are not aware of what Revisionists are doing to push the Auschwitz argument further along. If they are not aware of what Revisionists are doing, then they are incompetent; if they remain silent about them, then these histrians are corrupt. Also at a MELBOURNE seminar, at which Professor Yehuda Bauer was guest speaker, the 6:4 million figure was still about . In fact, some persons claimed that it was a 6 + 4 = 10 million Jewish deaths figure. One participant, who invited me to his home for tea, claimed that he easily escaped from Germany to Switzerland where he qualified as an architect. His qualifications were accepted by the Victorian Education Department for whom he worked until his retirement.

During 1993 Professor Bauer also made an interesting public comment about the 'Wannsee Conference'. For him it is "a silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of Jews was arrived at." So, Mr McCarthy, isn't it a fact that for too long people have read into documents what wasn't really there at the beginning?

* 1992 - on a visit to Parliament House, CANBERRA, A.C.T.. I was struck by the solid belief in the 6:4 million figure. This in spite of the fact that all parliamentarians received from John Bennett, Australian Civil Liberties Union, a copy of 'The Leuchter Report'. We may be disturbed by Leuchter's claims about being an engineer, Mr McCarthy, but that is of secondary importance. The fact is that he was the first person to physically do something about verifying or falsifying claims made about the Auschwitz homicidal gas chambers. I could not understand the frenzy with which his critics lashed out at him - hounding him in Germany because of what he said. But that's the problem, isn't it. He said some pretty startling things. For example, he claimed that "All things considered, killing six million persons by means of gassing would have taken 68 yars", and "If the matetr were in fact as claimed, then executions would still have to be taking place today, and would have to continue until the year 2006". If Leuchter's claims are outrageous, then he discredits himself, and so his claim that "The poison substance Zyklon-B was not used on people at Auschwitz", need not be feared,i.e. if it is false.

Canberra is also the only city in Australia with a legal pornography video industry. The other Canberra vice is that its youths have a high drug addiction rate.

* 1989 - during a visit to LAUNCESTON, HOBART,and PORT ARTHUR
Hobart,Tasmania, the usual response from tourists and from locals was the 6:4 million death figure. As far as I could ascertain, the figure referred to Jewish deaths alone. It was obvious to most persons I met that the second world war had been fought by Hitler to 'specially kill the Jews'. Why did the media not correct this distorted picture? It is a perversion of historical fact to represent the second world war as an exclusively antisemitic, and anti-Jewish war - the elimination of European Jewry. I see such claims as being a perversion of historical facts. What has to be borne in mind is that the Nazis and Zionists collaborated in establishing the State of Israel. This explains why the Zionists and the Nazis collaborated so well on the task of moving European Jews into Palestine. Mr McCarthy, have you read Leni Brenner's book on this topic? It's called 'Zionism in the Age of the Dictators'. During this year Professor Yehuda Bauer was again busy correcting the Asuchwitz picture, claiming the four million figure was wrong. The Auschwitz death book registers, obtained from the former Soviet Union archives in Moscow, listed 74,000 deaths. None of this information has been pumped into the public domain as have the alleged attrocity stories. Why not? I am reminded that as late as 1994 Professor Lipstadt loudly proclaimed that there is nothing to debate about the Holocaust. Mr McCarthy, it is good to see that you have opened yourself to a debate - admittedly carrying the orthodox Holocaust line.

* 1988 - in BRISBANE, Queensland at the World Expo Fair, the 6:4 figure was alive and hotly defended by those who were enjoying the atmosphere in an 'all German' beer tent. I met one businessman who knew something about Zundel's second Holocaust trial. Mr John Bennett in MELBOURNE single-handedly had distributed copies of 'The Leuchter Report' to all Australian media outlets, libraries, politicians and prominent Australians.

* 1987 At Deakin University, WARRNAMBOOL, students and staff whom I randomly canvassed about the 6:4 million death figure, claimed it referred to Jewish deaths. At HORSHAM, Victoria, during British historian David Irving's visit, the 6:4 million figure was held to be true by most people present at the meeting. Irving's book 'Churchill's War' upset some persons who could not imagine that Churchill had a very dark side to his character.

* 1986 - in country Victoria during business trips, the 6:4 million death figure made vague sense to some. My general impression was that few people cared about the death figures. What was commonly held was that the Germans killed many Jews during World War II in homicidal gas chambers. However, the gas chamber and the creamtory ovens were fused into the 'gas oven'. Pictures of crematory ovens were understood to be gas ovens. Generally, though, country living had its own problems without having to worry about an event that happened in Europe over forty years ago. On the radio journalist and broadcaster, Mark Aaarons, began to crank up a waning interest in the war crimes concept by broadcasting a series of programs which dealt with Nazi atrocities commited in eastern Europe.

* 1985 - during a visit to LONDON I noticed business associates shied away from discussing the 6:4 million deaths figure. However, during a visit to one of the pubs the ensuing discussion did raise a vague 4 million death figure. No one had heard of Professor Raul Hilberg mentioning on 16 January, at the Zundel Trial, that there was no blueprint nor a basic plan which accompanied the destruction of European Jewry.

* 1984 - in SINGAPORE and KUALA-LUMPAR, Malaysia, talking to all racial groups yielded no definitive figure for Jewish deaths. The first Zundel
trial in TORONTO did not feature in any conversation.

* 1983 - during an English Language conference in CANBERRA, A.C.T., the 6:4 million deaths figure was alive. One person wished to eliminate the ratio and claim that 10 million Jews died in Europe during the second world war. Inevitably when, during seminar sessions, the death figures for Auschwitz were mentioned, it was assumed that the four million referred to four million Jewish deaths. I also opposed the view that because of Auschwitz literature had lost its meaning. The soap and lampshade stories were still accepted as founded on fact rather than on propaganda.

* 1982 - during a visit to AMSTERDAM and PARIS, the general conversation among locals and tourists was a strong belief in the 4 million deaths figure for Auschwitz. I heard people say quite specifically that this figure referred to Jewish deaths at Auschwitz.

* 1981 - At MINNA, Nigeria, among educated and traditional Nigerians, little interest was shown for the Jewish-Nazi Holocaust. Too many still remembered the Nigerian civil war and its legacy, namely that it did not stop the "bribery and tribary and corruption at the top". Other Nigerians recalled how their forefathers were shipped to America by Jewish-owned slave trading ships.

* 1980 - during a visit to CAPE TOWN and JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, a lively discussion about the Jewish death figure was not unusual. At the universities I found both extreme views represented: under a million and over ten million Jewish deaths. It all depended whether you spoke to an Afrikans or English-speaking person, and then it mattered whether the person was Jewish or not. At that time many Jews had still not left South Africa. There was a saying in Southern Africa at that time: "When the Jews leave, there is still time time. When the Indians leave, it's too late."

* 1979 - at NAIROBIE and in Kenya generally, especially among German tourists, the 6:4 million deaths figure was a topic of conversation. In the markets the locals didn't care about Auschwitz. In June, Pope John Paul II had blessed the four million victims at AUSCHWITZ, and Dr Wilhelm Staglich's book: THE AUSCHWITZ MYTH was published in Germany. In France, Professor Robert Faurisson stated to LA MONDE: "The Hitler gas chambers never existed. The genocide of the Jews never took place. Hitler never gave an order or permission that nayone should be killed because of his race or religion. The alleged gas chambers and the alleged genocide are one and the same lie. This lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made possible an enormous political and financial fraud whose principal beneficiary is the State of Israel." Now we know that both Faurisson and Staglich have suffered terribly for daring to express their views about Auschwitz. It is not good enough for me to hear the excuse that because these HOLOCAUST HERETICS have offended the millions dead, they deserve to be persecuted. What is your view on this matter, Mr McCarthy?

* 1978 - at the University of Rhodesia, SALISBURY - now Harare, Zimbabwe - among staff and students the 6:4 million deaths figure floated about. It was alive among those students who had Jewish connections. Few, if any, non-white students had any interset in the topic. There were more serious matters to consider than worry about what happened in Europe during the second world war.

* 1977 - during a visit to WINDHOEK and SWAKOPMUND, South West Africa - now Namibia - I received from the Europeans (especially the tourists from Germany) a split response. There were those who believed the 6:4 million deaths figure referred to Jewish deaths only. Then there were a few characters who told me "the whole gas chamber story is rubbish". These 'characters' had served in the German army during the war. Professor Arthur Butz's THE HOAX OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY was published but it received no mention in South West Africa among the people I met during my stay there.

* 1976 - during a visit to MADRID, BARCELONA, etc. the whole issue concerning Jewish deaths was not alive among the people I met. There was interest in hammering the nasty communists and lamenting Franco's death.

* 1975 - at the University of STUTTGART, especially during faculty meetings (Geisteswissenschaften) a particular Dr Rothschild would strut about the room accusing all sorts of people for being Nazis or neo-Nazis. Faculty members usually cowered in silence while Rothschild ranted and raved in his attempt to "expose Nazis in academia". Anyone who attempted to contradict him would quickly be silenced with the 6:4 million deaths figure. Perhaps Dr Rothschild was aware of the fact that Richard Harwoood had just published his DID SIX MILLION REALLY DIE?

* 1974 - at the Univeristy of OXFORD the 6:4 million deaths figure was well entrenched among staff and students. It was considered bad taste to cast any doubt on the orthodox view that "millions and millions of Jews were gassed by the Germans during the second world war".

* 1973 - at CLUJ UNIVERISTY, Rumania, any questioning of W.W.II history quickly evoked the official communist line that Nazi Germany had killed many millions of people in an aggressive war. On a particular day I had an interesting experience at the University cafeteria. I was late for breakfast and as I sat down at a table a very slim male student sitting with a very fat female student stared at me. I responded with a smile. Upon this the young man jumped out of his seat and cried out: "I don't like you!"

I expressed silent astonishment and began my breakfast. Upon this the student jumped out of his seat and with finger pointed at me cried out again, "I don't like you. You're a Jew." He then ran out of the cafeteria. Later I was consoled by some of his friends who advised me that the student had been badly treated at his home in Gaza by Israeli police. No one I met at CLUJ or in BUCHAREST mentioned or even knew that Thies Christophersen had published his AUSCHIWTZ: TRUTH OR LIES.

* 1972 - in MUNICH during the Olympic Games, the Israeli sports team massacre fuelled memories of the Jewish-Nazi Holocaust. The 6:4 million deaths figure was part of any discussion after the massacre and much public sympathy flowed to the relatives of those killed at Munich. At DACHAU I viewed the alleged gas chamber, then at a bus stop I met an old lady who told me that no-one had ever been gassed by the Nazis. She claimed that Dachau had been re-built after the war and "many things aren't right there." At TEL AVIV and JERUSALEM and elsewhere in Israel, I felt the official Holocaust line hanging in the air - especially among the older citizens. The young were too busy making sense of the present. At the Tel Aviv University I had a disussion with a number of people. One person who had just arrived in the country from New York, proposed a settlement to the Middle East conflict: "America in Israel and Russia in Egypt", he excitedly proclaimed, "will solve all problems." A young man born in Israel contradicted him. "We don't want outsiders to settle our disputes with the Arabs. We feel like them, we think like them, we speak like them. They are our brothers," he exclaimed. The New Yorker left the discussion in a huff. [I again predict that as soon as Israel has safe borders, the homicidal gas chamber story will fall by the wayside.]

* 1971 - on a visit to LENINGRAD - now St Petersburg - KIEV and MOSCOW, I heard little of the Jewish death figures but more of the Soviet Union's heavy losses during the war. Interestingly, there was no mention of the Jewish-Bolshevik slaughter of millions or Stalin's reign of terror. All the evil had come from Hitler and his Nazis - according to the official state ideology.

* 1970 - in VANCOUVER, Canada, on the beaches I found that talk centred around the worry of finding the money to finance drug habits. Similarily in SAN FRANCISCO no-one cared about anything that was a day old. It was the moment that mattered - but not for me!

* 1969 - at the University of AUCKLAND, New Zealand, a vague figure of 6:4 may have been about. It was more of an indefinite "millions" expressed in such emotional terms that any further rational thought became impossible.

* 1968 - in the South Island of New Zealand, at DUNEDIN, INVERCARGILL, etc. I found little interest in the Jewish death figures. It was commonly held that millions of people died during the second world war. There was no great public interest in things specifically Jewish. No one I came across was familliar with Gerald Reitlinger's THE FINAL SOLUTION.

* 1967 - at Victoria University of WELLINGTON, New Zealand, some interest was found in discussing death figures. What was generally accepted as fact was that the Germans had been very cruel to the Jews during the second world war. "Many Jews had been killed by the Germans", was a claim I heard from Jews who had themselves come from Russia via China to New Zealand.

* 1966 - in SYDNEY, I gained the impression that very few people were interested in the specific Jewish component of the suffering caused by the second world war. In the clubs it was more of an anger directed at the Japanese for having caused suffering to Australian soldiers.

* 1963 - 65 while at the University of MELBOURNE, not once did I hear about the gassings of Jews. Surprisingly, not even as a member of the Jewish Club did I hear anyone discuss the 6:4 million deaths figure. That there were general war deaths and terrible attrocities committed during the war, in particular at the various concentration camps, was accepted as a given fact. Any accusations flowing from this fact and levelled at the Germans, was accepted by them. However, it was possible to reduce the guilt felt by pointing to attrocities perpetrated by the Allies. The uniqueness of the Jewish-Nazi Holocaust had not established itself within the public domain, as it has thirty years late, in 1996.

It would be of critical importance to have an international panel of scientists who would be prepared to go through with such an experiment. Mr McCarthy, I believe that THE RUDOLF REPORT actually proves the homicidal gassing story is false. But let me not be dogmatic about my belief either. I must confess that I am not an industrial chemist and I do not have the expertise to evaluate the techinical data any experiment would generate. However, I am well versed enough in research matters to know when someone is fiddling the books about an experiment so that a desired outcome is achived. I do not care whether the experiment will prove or disprove the homicidal gas chamber hypothesis. I want this fifty year nonsense conflict of whether Germans did or did not kill people in homicidal gas chambers to come to an end - and it can be brought to an end. you have made a great contribution to the Holocaust debate. So has ADELAIDE INSTITUTES's Mr David Brockschmidt when he challenged Skeptic's editor, Professor Michael Shermer's convergence theory. [Adelaide Institute newsletter No. 22]

I believe that we are wasting valuable time by discussing the details. Pressac wrote his book and he could not prove the existence of homicidal gas chambers. Faurssion wrote a condemnatory critique of Pressac's book and had to face court charges. Where is the logic in all this kind of behaviour, Mr McCarthy? Pressac is permitted to write books about the homicidal gas chamber allegations and when Faurisson refutes such claims, he is hauled before the French courts. We must re-construct the actual homicidal gas chambers. In this way we are also responding to Professor Robert Faurisson's challenge: 'Show me or draw me a gas chamber'. Shermer flippantly rejected Faurisson's challenge. Mr McCarthy, we are at a point in the Holocaust Debate where we can actually draw upon some physical evidence - the plans. The next step is to use these plans, not merely talk about them, but rather let the plans talk to us. Any architectural plan will speak for itself - and I am anxious to hear what these plans have to say.

What bothers me about these plans is that they are still held in the Russian archives and have not been made available to the general public. No mainstream historian has grasped them and it was left to a non historian, an industrial chemist, J.C. Pressac to publish them in a book which is not available in the general bookstores. You have made these plans available by scanning them from Pressac's book into the net. For that you must be congratulated.

In conclusion, Mr McCarthy, let me say again that I wish we can begin to make these plans talk and not have people talk about them. I would like to see mainstream historians use them when they tackle the homicidal gas chamber debate rather than regurgitate worn arguments from those who support or reject the homicidal gas chamber story.

I am looking forward to August when the latest book about Auschwitz will be published by W.W.Norton, New York. It's called AUSCHWITZ: 1270 TO THE PRESENT and is written by Deborah Dwork and Professor Robert-Jan van Pelt. Let's hope it will be more definitive than Pressac's work. Above all, let's hope it will be available in the bookshops.

Sincerely,

Fredrick Toben

Further Response to Jamie McCarthy

Fredrick Toben replies to Jamie McCarthy's response of 2 September 1996

The Story Keeps On Changing

"Show me or draw me a homicidal gas chamber."

The Four Million Figure

"But for the Jews of Europe it was a year (1943) of mass murder, of the gas chambers and of the carrying into effect of the avowed genocide policy of the barbaric Hitler regime" p.112

"The agreement made it possible for German Jews to transfer their assets on their emigration to Palestine".

"...that the national socialist's murder of the Jews is unique because never before had a state with the express authority of its leader made public that a certain ethnic group, including old people , women, children and infants be killed ( restlos zu toeten), and that, using all available state powers, the decision be carried out in practice."

Anti-German Racism and Hatred at The University of Adelaide

* 1988 - in Brisbane at the World Expo Fair the 6:4 million figure was alive and hotly defended by those who were enjoying the atmosphere in an 'all-German' beer tent. I met one businessman who knew something about Zundel's second Holocaust trial. Meanwhile, Mr John Bennett, in Melbourne single-handedly distributed The Leuchter Report to all Australian media outlets, libraries, politicians and prominent Australians.

*1990 - within Melbourne's legal circles the 6:4 death figure was generally held to be true. Only those lawyers who had any direct contact with their colleague, Mr John Bennett, would have been aware that the "figures and the story keep on changing". In July the plaques at Auschwitz were removed and Professor Shmuel Krakowski of Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, admitted that the soap story was not true. None of this information filtered through into society at large. Why not?

* 1991 - during the Australian War Crimes Trials at Adelaide, the minimum figure was still 6:4 million Jewish deaths, this despite the fact that The Advertiser had the previous year carried a tiny item announcing the removal of the commemorative plaques at the Auschwitz concentration camp whereon the four million deaths figure was engraved.

1. The need for mortuaries ( Leichenkeller) to be well-ventilated was recognized by the Germans who planned such facilities at the Auschwitz concentration camp. The buildup of gases in decomposing corpses is slowed down in a cool atmosphere, and today's crematoria construction takes this into account.


2. From the beginning of its operation as a concentration camp, the camp administrators expected epidemics to produce many deaths - which was the case in 1942. Hence the fact that Auschwitz had mortuaries cannot be regarded as proof of "criminal intent."


3. By constructing underground mortuaries - below ground level - the planners ensured that the rooms remained cool at a consistent temperature. As well, by placing them below ground, the mortuary building had limited contact with the crematoria buildings.

The plans indicate that corpses need to be stored in a cool place.


4. The premise that the mortuaries were planned and used as homicidal gas chambers, wherein Zyklon-B was used as a killing agent, cannot be sustained.

It is difficult to heat underground rooms whose walls are always moist. Effective gassings could not have taken place in such rooms because cold air reduces the evaporation rate of Prussic blue from its carrier.

Further, the moisture content heightens the absorption rate of the gas as it penetrates the walls of the rooms; hence the reason for finding Prussic blue stains in the delousing chambers.

Thus in an hypothetical gassing, more gas is needed in cool-moist rooms. But we note that during the war, the disinfectant gas, Zyklon-B, was a scarce resource.

Pressac agrees that originally these mortuary rooms were not designed as homicidal gas chambers. Further, he claims that 95% of Zyklon-B was used for disinfection purposes and only 5% for homicidal gassings.

I have not yet worked out how much this 5% of what quantity is. If Piper claims that about a million people were gassed at Auschwitz, then this 5% figure becomes important.


5. The design of Kremas II and III was derived from an earlier 1941 plan for a new crematorium planned for Auschwitz I, the Stammlager.

In this plan the entrance is on the side of Mortuary I, i.e. between Mortuary I and II we have stairs and a corpse chute.

Owing to the high groundwater level at Auschwitz-Birkenau, it was necessary to raise the foundations of these mortuaries.

The entrance also had to be shifted to the opposite side, offering stairs to the office rooms of mortuary II and stairs at the end of mortuary II.


6. The fact that during Winter 1942/42, after Stalingrad, resources were scarce, explains why there is no corpse chute for mortuary II. The Auschwitz administration simply did not have the resources to do a proper job, as is evident if one looks at the construction of Krematorium III, IV and V.


7. The original entrance to the mortuary was not used because it offered no direct road access, as would have been the case had the building been constructed at Auschwitz I, the Stammlager.

The construction of the steps indicates a hasty improvisation of the Stammlager plans to the Birkenau site.


8. Today the entrance steps at the end of the mortuary of Krematorium II and III is interpreted as the entrance used by the victims of the gassings.

Mortuary II is considered to be the undressing room and it is this room which, according to Pressac, is proof of the "criminal intent" of those who planned the mass killings.

However, having an undressing room in a mortuary is quite normal because autopsies require that the corpses be undressed. Corpses are also cremated without clothes. The question we would like to ask is this: Are there autopsy reports available from corpses that were prepared in Krema II and III?


9. Pressac claims that the missing corpse chute is proof that the mortuary was changed into a homicidal gas chamber because "corpses don't walk stairs".

However, it must be remembered that by 1943-44 about 200 daily deaths - of all natural and epidemic causes - were recorded at Auschwitz. Pressac needs to explain how these 200 dead arrived at the mortuaries. The obvious answer is that they were carried on stretchers to the mortuaries.

The absence of a corpse chute does not prove anything. According to Pressac it could indicate that in building the facilities some corners had to be cut on account of material shortages, especially after the Stalingrad defeat.


10. The mortuary construction is of concrete and steel, and as the doweling technique was still quite poorly developed, in order to fix pipes and lamps to concrete walls and ceilings, pieces of conic-shaped wood were cemented into the ceiling.

Pressac uses this as an example of proof that these wooden pieces were to have shower heads fixed to them when, in fact, they were to carry electric power lines.

Germar Rudolf rightly states that Pressac's interpretation "speaks volumes of his incompetence".


11. The fact that the drainage system for Kreamtoria II and III was changed from the original plan does not prove anything. We have to remind ourselves that these buildings were originally designed for Auschwitz I, the Stammlager.

What the plans prove is that they were adapted to the changed physical conditions at Auschwitz-Birkenau - Auschwitz II.

Further, the fact that Mortuary I has a separate drainage system indicates the foresight of the planners. In this way any highly infected water was treated separately from the rest of the complex.


12. It is claimed that in the inventory of Mortuary I of Krematorium II and III, there is listed an order for gas-tight doors, size 100 x 192 cm. It appears in the inventory index on page 430 for Krema II - and then it is a hand-written entry "gas-tight door". Most probably it is a door for the disaffection chambers.

Further, in the plan of Krematorium II there appears a door size of 190 x 200 cm, and so the gas-tight door would not fit into the door frame.

It is now important to investigate the site and find out whether the door frame has been reduced in size. This task, however, requires some excavation work at the site.


13. The reference to the "gas-tight door" in the documents refers to hatches and doors, and it must be borne in mind that when talking about doors, we are generally talking about wooden doors made of boards. Also, the hatches had a round felt seal and so it is wrong to imagine the doors and hatches to be made of heavy steel.

Similarly, the barrack windows were not "gas-tight" because often there was a considerable gap between the frame and the brickwork, and hence it would have been quite drafty. So, too, with the doors. All of this material was naturally produced by prisoners in the concentration camp workshop.
It is difficult to imagine that homicidal gassings would succeed in rooms which had wooden doors. A consideration of whether these doors opened inward or outward becomes an irrelevancy.


14. Pressac claims that the planned heating of the mortuaries confirms that they were to be converted into homicidal gas chambers because mortuaries are not heated. He conveniently ignores the fact that corpses must be protected from frost, and so a minimum heating of the room is essential during winter months.


15. Pressac also claims that the open pipes were removed so that the victims could not do it. Another explanation is that the pipes were removed because there was no heating in winter and this avoided the pipes from bursting during frosty nights.


16. The claim that Zyklon-B was introduced into the mortuaries through holes in the roof - three or four holes - cannot be upheld because there simply is no physical proof of these alleged holes ever having existed.

The latest version from Pressac and Nizkor is that the exhaust-ventilation system was used to blow the gas into the alleged homicidal gas chamber. This version lacks credibility - but we would be interested to hear how the dialecticians explain its workings.


17. There is also a claim made about Krematorium II having a wire basket or nets contraption for Zyklon-B use. It is listed in the inventory - but again written by hand. Such a contraption could possibly have been used to push - or pull - corpses into the crematory ovens.