Interview with Ron Unz

Ron Unz (@UnzReview) discusses his intellectual upbringing and involvement in Holocaust research with Holocaust researcher Germar Rudolf (@GermarRudolf) and free market activist Jorge Besada.

Out of the blue, Ron Unz got in touch with me back in 2018, if I remember correctly, asking whether he would be allowed to post all the Holocaust Handbooks on his website Unz Review. He offered a licensing fee in return, although all the books’ PDF files are posted for free reposting on out website www.HolocaustHandbooks.com. I pointed this out to him, but he insisted on paying a fee. Needless to say, I happily agreed.

Since that time, I had an open invitation to submit papers to his Unz Review, which I steadfastly neglected to take advantage of, I must admit to my shame. Well, I have been and still am simply too busy juggling all the thing I am already involved in. Adding more websites to cater to was and is not in the cards.

After my friend Jorge Besada and I had done an interview with myself and with Fred Leuchter, we decided to see whether other figures connected to Holocaust Skepticism would be open to an interview as well. For years, Arthur Butz has turned down my request to interview him, and he didn’t change that attitude now either. But when I approached Ron, he instantly agreed. And here it is! You can either watch it right here (slightly reduced quality due to compression) or on Rumble. Jorge also posted it on X/Twitter with a very detailed timeline.

Twitter Timeline

• 00:28 Jorge introduces German chemist and leading Holocaust researcher Germar Rudolf who spent nearly 4 years in jail for writing a chemistry report that questions the mainstream mass-gassings narrative and thus allegedly “inciting racial hatred”.
• 02:54 Jorge introduces Jewish-born entrepreneur and author Ron Unz who has degrees in Physics and Ancient History from Harvard. Runs http://unz.com
• 05:00 Jorge briefly explains how from freedom emerges economic and intellectual competition which inadvertently turns mankind into a super-computer as companies innovate and copy each other’s innovations, as well as superior morals as hard-working people motivate everyone else to be likewise.
• 05:50 Ron tells us about his life, Jewish cultural influence-identity or lack thereof, early views on Holocaust.
• 09:15 Ron begins to get suspicious regarding Holocaust due to disastrous-flawed media coverage of Iraq war after 9/11. Mainstream media lost credibility.
• 10:42 Ron digitizes old publications and discusses ramifications of doing so.
• 14:20 Ron archives Reason magazine and eventually stumbles upon Holocaust-related issue and controversy surrounding it.
• 18:04 Ron praises issue and brings up fact that 2 leading editors were Jewish.
• 21:22 Arthur Butz, another prominent Holocaust mass-gassings doubter has Masters in Electrical Engineering from MIT.
• 21:50 Ron emphasizes how Libertarians were early prominent leaders in spreading Holocaust-doubt-revisionism.
• 23:28 Ron speculates that the Reason issue relating to the Holocaust was due to the coming release of Arthur Butz’s ‘The Hoax of the Twentieth Century’
• 26:24 Ron praises Butz’s book and especially so Nicholas Kollerstrom’s ‘Breaking the Spell. The Holocaust: Myth & Reality’
• 30:27 Jorge mentions how since Libertarians are better defenders of freedom, they get the benefits of superior competition of ideas and busting of myths-lies which helps explain why so many are Holocaust revisionists-deniers. Asks Ron a out how important was for him to lear that freedom giant Murray Rothbard, who is likely Milei’s favorite economist, was a revisiojnist-Denier. Ron elaborates.
• 34:55 Ron describes how it was books that were pro-mainstream-Holocast that persuaded him the most about the myth-story of the Holocaust. Discusses Deborah Lipstadt.
• 40:42 Ron brings up how lead soviet prosecutor in Nuremberg Trials , Andrey Vyshinsky, was same fraudulent prosecutor who oversaw Stalin’s bogus ‘Great Purge-‘Shows Trials’.
• 41:30 Ron brings up how aspects of Holocaust mythology are abandoned with time like alleged mass-gassings or death camps on German soil.
• 45:05 Ron mentions how Robert Faurisson(french revisionist) stressed how neither Churchill’s, nor, Eisenhower’s, nor Charles de Gaul’s massive post-war writings mentioned anything about the Holocaust.
• 48:56 Ron brings up book ‘The Jewish Threat: Anti-semitic Politics Of The U.s. Army’ by Joseph W. Bendersky, and how not a single American intelligence officer or top generals believed in holocaust stories.
• 50:15 Ron discusses John Beaty’s book ‘The Iron Curtain Over America’
• 1:14:40 Ron argues that the reason why neither Churchill, nor Eisenhower, nor Charles de Gaul mentioned anything about the Holocaust is because they didn’t believe it and didn’t want to be seen as having fallen for war-time propaganda-myths in posterity.
• 1:17:29 Germar mentions how John Beaty may not have been able to better back his claims about intelligence officers not believing holocaust because it was not until year 2000 that UK finally released secret information about decrypts, so Beaty would have been breaking law.
• 1:19:18 Jorge brings up how Churchill knew the Soviets had committed the Katyn Forest massacre and introduced fake evidence at Nuremberg Trial blaming Germans for it, thus knew mass-gassings also likely fabrications thus not risk including them in his books to look like a fool in the future.
• 1:22:08 Ron discusses the Venona project, US spying on soviet spies working high up in Roosevelt admin. Even top American who kept project running and held erroneous anti-Jewish ideas, never believed anything about holocaust.
• 1:28:09 Jorge, backing Beaty’s claim that Jews were overwhelmingly responsible for bringing about WWII to destroy Hitler, brings up leading Zionist Chaim Weizmann stating that WWII “is our war..We are…giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are…providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.” The solution to Hitler’s anti-Jewish fallacies was NOT a world war that killed 80+ million people.
• 1:29:39 Ron brings up how an increasing number of books today make similar point, but not as portraying Jews as dragging us into an unnecessary war, but as heroes helping annihilate the evil Hitler.
• 1:31:07 Ron disagrees with Jorge’s earlier statement and downplays Jew’s importance compared to Roosevelt’s desire to have a war to allegedly get the US out of depression.
• 1:34:50 Ron brings up importance of Kristallnacht for getting Roosevelt and Jews to push war vs. Germany.
• 1:38:29 Germar further elaborates on how Nazi government’s cruel handling of Kristallnacht (forbade insurance companies to pay Jews, large collective fine on Jews as well) did make it easy for many to further vilify Nazi government and help move to war.
• 1:43:58 Jorge: ‘What are 3-5 major arguments the layperson came make to criticize mainstream holo myths?’ Ron mentions digging where hundreds of thousands of bodies are supposed to be buried.
• 1:49:12 Germar explains how ‘deep penetrating radar’ and other things have been tried and still no evidence to support mainstream claims.
• 1:52:43 Jorge summarizes simple arguments against mainstream myth discussed: 1) ground checks fail to show mass graves,2) Nuremberg Trial obvious fake evidence introduced by Soviets like brain bashing pedal-driven machine, atomic bomb-like device to blow up 20,000 Jews, etc. 3) Top Soviet prosecutor Andrey Vyshinsky being same liar as in Moscow ‘Show Trials’ 4) All secret communications from Auschwitz reveal nothing about gassings, 5) Nothing in Churchill, Eisenhower, Charles de Gaul writings, 6) Main Russian archivists admit there is nothing in archives supporting Holocaust, 7) Chemical analysis per Germar 8) massive continuous downward revisions of alleged exterminations.
• 1:58:52 Germar elaborates on history of massive downward revisions on total deaths.
• 2:05:28 Ron mentions how after creation of Israel and Israel’s pivot to America, Stalin-Soviets no longer pushed Holocaust.
• 2:10:55 Jorge summarizes how the mainstream Holocaust myth (NOT conspiracy) evolved. Holocaust exaggerations began as way for Poles-Soviets-Communists to punish Germany but understandably attracted and was amplified by Jews, especially Zionist ideology-believing ones. Per Germar, the key leading historian and judges who did most to create mainstream holocaust myth were not even Jewish.
• 2:13:00 Ron agrees with summary and believes that most of today’s Holocaust academics are not lying as part of some grand conspiracy by believe their mythical narrative.
• 2:14:26 Jorge brings up astute ending to Ron’s Holocaust article where he compared Holocaustianity to Socialist mythology and the USSR, both myths similarly superficially examined, sustained by coercion, and that could quickly collapse.
• 2:16:40 Jorge asks Ron: “Where do you see things headed?”
• 2:17:40 Jorge asks… Mahmoud Abbas, Bashar al Assad, Alexander Dugin, Judge Napolitano frequent guest Phil Giraldi all are prominent doubters, Sergey Lavrov loves watching Napolitano… How much of the Russia-Ukraine war is due to Zionism and are there significant chances that many high up in Russian government are Holocaust doubters-revisionists?
• 2:22:41 Jorge blames the seeming irrationality of US government looking for conflict with Russia and China as inevitable outgrowth of Holcaustianized Zionism which has made Bibi our Pope getting more than one standing ovation per minute in US congress. Ron mentions how of course everyone is a next Hitler to be militarily destroyed.
• 2:24:52 Ron sees massive collapse of the West which will bring down Holocaust myths with it.
• 2:25:55 Germar asks Ron about personal repercussions regarding his open Holocaust skepticism, lost friendships, etc.
• 2:34:15 Jorge brings up why Ron is such a vital intellectual. Unlike David Duke or Candace Owens who bring up good information about Jewish-related chaos, Ron is a secular Jew who does NOT make many fallacies Candace and David make like in Candace’s case referring to Bibi being influenced by Satan etc. And hopefully major podcasters like Joe Rogan soon host Ron.
• 2:36:06 Ron : “Maybe if one of these people had me on it could be the straw that breaks the camels back”
• 2:36:17 Jorge brings up how we are clearly seeing how similar to CovidMania, AntisemiteMania is about to emerge and fortunately this is leading more and more people to have the urgency and courage to deal with Zionist and Holocaust myths before it is too late.
• 2:39:30 Germar brings up Ron asking Germar to post his books. Ron explains he wanted to convert them to HTML but realized few were reading them that way to just abandoned the idea, especially since Germar’s site http://holocausthandbooks.com already provides all PDFs and more.
• 2:42:02 Jorge! “We almost went 3 hours! We will do this again!”